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Post by Unega Uwohali Waya Adkins on Jan 15, 2006 2:21:14 GMT -6
I havn't learn about Cherokee language, hand writing and fonts yet because I'm slow learner. Can you help me simple way for me? Thanks for the help. Ok, here's a link about it: www.native-languages.org/cherokee.htm
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Post by Unega Uwohali Waya Adkins on Jan 15, 2006 2:43:04 GMT -6
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Post by Annie Fawn on May 4, 2006 16:16:08 GMT -6
I've got a book on Cherokee language but it's not that good unless you have a teacher who know the language and can help you learn it. I didn't think I remembered my Choctaw until my husband and dad caught me singing lulabyes in it to the kids when they were infants. Daddy said it was the same songs that had been sung to me. Guess I have to be totally worn out to know my native language now a days. lol
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Post by Unega Uwohali Waya Adkins on May 7, 2006 14:13:39 GMT -6
Yeah, that's very hard to learning in Internet computer . Well, I better to finding a College and to learning more about Native American languages someday. I have 2 Cherokee language books but I need someone to helping me to explaining these books because I having trouble to reading speech and writing fonts. I'm a slow learner because of hearing impaired and disability. Thanks for let me know about it, your husband and dad.
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Post by Huronwoman on May 9, 2006 13:58:35 GMT -6
Have a friend who wrote one of the first english-cherokee books, now one of my elders is going to school to learn many different languages I will find out mor and get back to you. One of the problems is knowing her to put the emphasis on the word and that you cannot get from a book. Stay well all WADO
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Post by Patient Frog on Aug 30, 2006 19:34:06 GMT -6
White Eagle Thank you for this section on your site. I was trying to remember a website and couldn't, but I remembered you had it here, so I came to you to find it again. Thanks for that! I really appreciate all your hard work in keeping us learning together. You trully do more than you realize by maintaining this site with the help of others. WADO!
Patient Frog
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Post by swampfox on Aug 31, 2006 20:04:39 GMT -6
Have a friend who wrote one of the first english-cherokee books, now one of my elders is going to school to learn many different languages I will find out mor and get back to you. One of the problems is knowing her to put the emphasis on the word and that you cannot get from a book. Stay well all WADO Huronwoman, I am hearing impaired (hard of hearing/hoh) as well. I cannot hear a whisper even if it is directly in my ear (tickles, but I don't hear anything) but I hear other sounds. I was raised oral (that means lip reading as frequently as possible and never taught sign language). I can hear better when there is an Assisted Listening Device - a mic/sending signal and a headset/receiver situation because the mic picks up the sound but I still need to read the lips. If they could make CDs or DVDs using really good mics and recording system - ya know, with all the technology we have these days it would be immensely gratifying if they would make a video using Sony technology - their lenses are Karl Zeiss which is sharp and clear and they have lapel mics. I just bought a Sony handicam and a lapel mic. All they would need is a LaCie cd/dvd burner and a 600 MHz iMac to put it together running on OS X.4 I know that several people are looking for visual and auditory aids to learn the Native Languages. We have the chance to ask the Elders to teach us the language and the stories. Couldn't we at least try?
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Post by Huronwoman on Sept 1, 2006 0:12:39 GMT -6
Yes we should try, without trying no one would ever succeed at anything- AHO- I certainally didn't mean to come across that the website or books are not the way to go, The Cherokee has been the first to put their language in written form thus allowing for the generations to hold on to the culture and history in their own tongue. I give them nothing but priase. I only wish other tribes would try to do the same. To hear a prayer said in Cherokee is very POWERFUL medicine and I have been moved to tears over it. I am sorry for your disability but I do know that when you feel the vibrations of the drums at pow wows or a powerful prayer, although you may not "hear" it you do "feel" it. My brother is deaf after Agent Orange from Viet Nam ate out the bones behind his tympanic membrane (ear drum). So I do feel for you and keep you in my prayers, Sister!
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Post by swampfox on Sept 1, 2006 9:17:28 GMT -6
Yes we should try, without trying no one would ever succeed at anything- AHO- I certainally didn't mean to come across that the website or books are not the way to go, The Cherokee has been the first to put their language in written form thus allowing for the generations to hold on to the culture and history in their own tongue. I give them nothing but priase. I only wish other tribes would try to do the same. To hear a prayer said in Cherokee is very POWERFUL medicine and I have been moved to tears over it. I am sorry for your disability but I do know that when you feel the vibrations of the drums at pow wows or a powerful prayer, although you may not "hear" it you do "feel" it. My brother is deaf after Agent Orange from Viet Nam ate out the bones behind his tympanic membrane (ear drum). So I do feel for you and keep you in my prayers, Sister! Dear Sister! You have probably heard the saying that when you lose your sight that your other senses intensify. It's true. The other senses help out but learning languages is really difficult unless we can see what is happening with the mouth, tongue and teeth. Try learning Polish! The dz, sz, and dsz sound the same to me but the teeth are set in different patterns - and just mispronounce a word - it can mean something totally different than what you meant! For the deaf, anything back in the mouth like that is invisible to us. I have heard of a tribe out west who started a Scrabble Game in their Native Language. The kids love it! They have had to make a Dictionary and different experience level games. This brings the community and the generations together. Could you imagine having a Tribal wide Scrabble contest with awards for everyone? Annie said that she had learned lullabies in her tongue for her child that were sung to her as a baby. That is truly passing it on! Someone needs to videotape the family singing the songs and burn them on to CDs for the generations to come. It is a great family memory and a joy!
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Post by Unega Uwohali Waya Adkins on Sept 6, 2006 22:58:11 GMT -6
White Eagle Thank you for this section on your site. I was trying to remember a website and couldn't, but I remembered you had it here, so I came to you to find it again. Thanks for that! I really appreciate all your hard work in keeping us learning together. You trully do more than you realize by maintaining this site with the help of others. WADO! Patient Frog You're very welcome. I'll keep looking for a better one.
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Post by 2shadows on Aug 2, 2008 9:56:27 GMT -6
I love the cherokee..it is a very beautiful and musical language. It is my honest opinion that Sequoya was one of the most brilliant men in history and his written language was so eloquent..so easy for the those who already spoke cherokee that the entire nation became literate almost overnight....
Cherokee does not have an alphabet..it has a syllabary..that is each symbol is a sound..and all sounds in cherokee have a symbol..they are arranged in a grid..6 columns and 13 rows...plus a few extras tucked in here and there..
the first row is rather like vowel sounds.. something like:
Ahhh AAAY EEEE Ohhh OOOO Uhn (this last one is very nasalized)
every row after that pre-pends a consonant (but row two has one of those extras)
Gahh Kahh GAAY Geee Go Goo Ghun etc..
I use tapes by Sam Hilder and various peoples publishing.
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Post by 2shadows on Aug 12, 2008 8:43:05 GMT -6
The official cherokee font can be downloaded at: www.cherokee.org/Extras/downloads/Culture/Downloads/4/Default.aspxthen install with these instructions: Make sure all other windows are closed during this process. 1. The Font file is a .zip formatted file in which case you will need an unzipping program such as Winzip (www.winzip.com) to 'unzip' this program. 2. Save the .zip file in a temporary folder either on your desktop or some other location that you will be able to find it again. 3. Once saved, open the file. Your 'unzipping' program should initiate. You want to 'unzip' or 'extract' the file within the same folder as the zipped file. If you have Windows XP or Office XP, please see XP note at bottom of this section. What should appear in your folder when this is completed should be these files: Cherokee.afm Full_Keyboard.gif syllabary.gif Keyboard.htm Cherokee.inf Readme.txt Cherokee.TTF Cherokee.pfm CherokeeV1.zip (which should have already been there) 4. Copy the file "Cherokee.TTF" and go to your "Font" folder which is normally located in Windows/Winnt folder under your C: drive. (on my machine it was in C:\WINDOWS\FONTS so you may have to do a search for files that end in .TTF) Before pasting the Cherokee.ttf file you need to make sure that you do not already have a file called 'Cherokee.ttf'. If you do not then simply paste. If you DO have the file then you will need to delete the file before 'pasting/installing' the Cherokee.ttf font in this folder. Once I did this..the cherokee font option showed up in MS word in the font drop down and it worked great..now..If I can only figure out how to make it work in here..*Smile* NOTE: If you delete the Cherokee.ttf and you have created documents with this font, then you will have to correct the documents using this new official font. two shadows.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XP NOTE: In all the new programs MSOffice etc; and with XP (all Editions) you have to go to control panel then go to the font directory. Open the directory and then go to file at the top left. Click on file then click on "install new font". A window will open and you have to go to the directory where you have unzipped the Cherokee font at. Highlight the font and then click ok. This will "Install" the font and make it available for all programs. You can no longer just move the font file to the font directory. It now has to be "installed" Installing the Cherokee Font under Linux/Unix: RedHat and YellowDog (and all RH variants): - download the pc version of the font, unzip, and place the font file in /usr/share/fonts/TTF. - in the TTF folder (in a terminal) as root: ttmkfdir > fonts.scale ln -s fonts.scale fonts.dir /sbin/service xfs restart Mandrake Linux: - use DrakFont (from Mandrake Control Center) to install the font. Other *nix distributions: - if using KDE, Kfontinst. - OR use instructions for RH/YellowDog and if services or xfs is not available, simply restart your X server. Once X or XFS have been restarted the font should be available system wide (KDE apps, X apps, OpenOffice/StarOffice, Gimp, etc.).
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 10, 2012 11:24:36 GMT -6
I have 2 Cherokee language books but I need someone to helping me to explaining these books because I having trouble to reading speech and writing fonts. I'm a slow learner because of hearing impaired and disability. OHH... You're deaf? I didn't realize that, but your writing makes sense. Do you sign ASL? I need help learning Cherokee because the explanation of the pronunciations don't always make sense, like the use of the Iroquoian i and i: vowel sounds. AND learning languages are hard for me, because I usually don't progress much beyond vocabulary in other languages. It was HELL learning English for me! How have you progressed since you made the original request for help?
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 10, 2012 12:44:47 GMT -6
Thank you, but has anyone located a dictionary that is a ONE-STOP place where you learn the syllabary, clear methods of pronunciation, the vocabulary, AND *** VERY IMPORTANT *** contains pitching marks, like the level pitches (high, low) and the contour pitches (rising, falling, high-low, low-high). I want it all!
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Post by Lone4eagle on May 10, 2012 19:16:05 GMT -6
Thank you, but has anyone located a dictionary that is a ONE-STOP place where you learn the syllabary, clear methods of pronunciation, the vocabulary, AND *** VERY IMPORTANT *** contains pitching marks, like the level pitches (high, low) and the contour pitches (rising, falling, high-low, low-high). I want it all! I'm looking, so far found info "Tone and Pitch Accent in Cherokee Nouns" from University of California, Berkeley. Gives explanation of it, but not a dictionary. corpus.linguistics.berkeley.edu/~kjohnson/papers/JPhon_Cherokee.pdf
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Post by Lone4eagle on May 10, 2012 19:53:56 GMT -6
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 10, 2012 20:19:32 GMT -6
Thanks, but it needs to be in dictionary form and much easier to understand. I would need to pull out a dictionary just to get past the intro of this 48-page document. It's not written to be easily understood. I don't know how I'm going to learn this language when pitch is involved.
How do deaf Cherokees learn?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 5:51:56 GMT -6
I take the online Cherokee language class, I will try to get an answer from the teacher about that. The class is on Mondays & Fridays so I will see what I can find out Monday!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 7:49:17 GMT -6
Thank you, but has anyone located a dictionary that is a ONE-STOP place where you learn the syllabary, clear methods of pronunciation, the vocabulary, AND *** VERY IMPORTANT *** contains pitching marks, like the level pitches (high, low) and the contour pitches (rising, falling, high-low, low-high). I want it all! In the language class words are sounded out such as: ayotli=child ah you hli (hli sounds like chlee spoken with your tongue at the roof of your mouth) it can also be pronounced: a yo thlee (thlee spoken with tongue behind teeth diniyotli= children dee nee you thlee or hlee a word that contains hna is pronounced nasally You would probably need someone to write words for you, sounded out and put in a way that you would know whether the word was spoken nasal, tongue at roof or behind teeth, etc.. I don't think there is a dictionary, but if you are able to read lips the person teaching you would be able to show you how it's done. I hope this helps!
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 11, 2012 9:37:50 GMT -6
This is going to be hard, and speakers are going to have to accept the fact that I'm deaf, just as English speakers do.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 10:03:15 GMT -6
Yes it may be hard, but nothing is impossible if you really want it!
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 11, 2012 16:10:26 GMT -6
The question that I have about the six tone system is when to use the high, low, rising, falling, high-low, and low-high pitches. I'm still researching it, but it seems to be nobody is teaching this online. I'll keep looking.
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Post by Lone4eagle on May 11, 2012 18:09:52 GMT -6
Thanks, but it needs to be in dictionary form and much easier to understand. I would need to pull out a dictionary just to get past the intro of this 48-page document. It's not written to be easily understood. I don't know how I'm going to learn this language when pitch is involved. How do deaf Cherokees learn? I'll need to check more, soon as get time. Things have been busy here now, outside yard/garden work since the nice weather.
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Post by Lone4eagle on May 11, 2012 18:12:58 GMT -6
The question that I have about the six tone system is when to use the high, low, rising, falling, high-low, and low-high pitches. I'm still researching it, but it seems to be nobody is teaching this online. I'll keep looking. I'm sure the info must be found somewhere, sooner or later we'll find it.
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