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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 7:37:14 GMT -6
Bird Deer Long Hair Blue Paint Wolf Wild Potato
Do modern-day Cherokee's still have clans?
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Post by Lone4eagle on Feb 27, 2012 11:11:50 GMT -6
They do, at least the Wolf, Deer, you would have to ask card holders of Cherokee clans. Members of a certain clan may sit in a certain direction of the sacred circle. Traditionally, well let's say in tribes of the Great Pains....the elders or story keepers of the legends would sit in the east. Depends on the tribe, clans can be the same way. But once warriors were in the north, women in the west, children sat south.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 12:34:19 GMT -6
Thank you!
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Post by cherosage on Mar 1, 2012 0:59:00 GMT -6
In our round houses, during formal meetings, each Clan has a certain location, section.
The problem today is that we sit in our Mothers Clan section until we are married and IF you don't marry a Cherokee Lady then you don't have a section any more. My Wife is Apache and our family's section is the Blue Clan. I still sit in the Blue Clan section anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 7:18:34 GMT -6
In our round houses, during formal meetings, each Clan has a certain location, section. The problem today is that we sit in our Mothers Clan section until we are married and IF you don't marry a Cherokee Lady then you don't have a section any more. My Wife is Apache and our family's section is the Blue Clan. I still sit in the Blue Clan section anyway. By you being married to an Apache and you still sitting in the Blue Clan section....Would this be considered being disrespectful or accepted?
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 17, 2012 10:59:32 GMT -6
Bird Seer Long Hair Blue Paint Wolf Wild Potato Do modern-day Cherokee's still have clans? Can you modify your post as to not confuse the newcomers? Seer - Deer, or am I wrong?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 14:50:45 GMT -6
Done!
You're just on the ball here, that was posted back in Feb. and no one else caught it!
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Post by Unregistered Cherokee on May 17, 2012 15:20:26 GMT -6
Done! You're just on the ball here, that was posted back in Feb. and no one else caught it! Does that mean I pass? I'm a stickler for details, like the powwow thing being off by one letter, and instead of arriving at Indian land, I ended up in a water cooler somewhere deep in corporate breakroom territory. I'm also a sticker for details because we can't afford to be wrong and be led astray to wrong information. When I find something that tells me I was wrong, I post it. I make mistakes, too. Anyway, there are people out there who strive to twist or change historical facts, especially when they're trying to slowly acculturate people towards that of a target faith they belong to. The Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama (which is listed as a fraudulent tribe by Cherokee Nation of OK (CNO)), stated to someone, "Your comments to the confused individual "Gary Wright ll" are right on target as too our beliefs in the old ancestral ways. When the Moravian missionaries arrived in Cherokee country, the Cherokee found it very easy to adopt Christianity as their religious way of life. The conversion was simple as the Cherokee already believed in one Creator and the abundance of gifts that the Creator provided for our very existence. With our Cherokee beliefs strongly emulating that of Christianity, why any Cherokee of faith would agree that the behavior of those who fail to live up to our expectations, convictions and religious beliefs is that of one who fails to live by God's laws. These people are those of whom find it hard to live by God's law and to justify their inability to conform, will try anything and everything to convert the world into believing as they do. Some who wish to justify their own inability to conform to Tribal ways will even resort to threatening the Tribal Council and the Tribal By-Laws to justify their behavior." To me, this is straight-up wrong. I do not see similarities in a directional sense between these two religions. Anyway, the point is, we have to be on the look out for such people and stores of information that might be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 13:39:19 GMT -6
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Post by Lone4eagle on May 27, 2012 13:13:07 GMT -6
That link took me to the main belief system page, try this one. www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNation/Culture/General/24411/Information.aspxMost Cherokee clan sites all have something similar. a ni gi lo hi The Long Hair Clan, whose subdivisions are Twister, Wind and Strangers, are known to be a very peaceful clan. In the times of the Peace Chief and War Chief government, the Peace Chief would come from this clan. Prisoners of war, orphans of other tribes, and others with no Cherokee tribe were often adopted into this clan, thus the name 'Strangers.' At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Long Hair arbor is on the East side, and also houses the Chiefs and other leaders of the ground.
a ni sa ho ni The Blue Clan's subdivisions are Panther, or Wildcat and Bear (which is considered the oldest clan). Historically, this clan produced many people who were able to make special medicines for the children. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Blue arbor is to the left of the Long Hair arbor.
a ni wa ya The Wolf has been known throughout time to be the largest clan. During the time of the Peace Chief and War Chief government setting, the War Chief would come from this clan. Wolves are known as protectors. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Wolf arbor is to the left of the Blue arbor.
a ni go te ge wi The Wild Potato Clan's subdivision is Blind Savannah . Historically, members of this clan were known to be 'keepers of the land,' and gatherers The wild potato was a main staple of the older Cherokee life back east (Tsa-la-gi U-we-ti). At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Wild Potato arbor is to the left of the Wolf arbor.
a ni a wi Members of the Deer Clan were historically known as fast runners and hunters. Even though they hunted game for subsistence, they respected and cared for the animals while they were living amongst them. They were also known as messengers on an earthly level, delivering messenges from village to village, or person to person. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Deer arbor is to the left of the Wild Potato arbor.
a ni tsi s qua Members of the Bird Clan were historically known as messengers. The belief that birds are messengers between earth and heaven, or the People and Creator, gave the members of this clan the responsibility of caring for the birds. The subdivisions are Raven, Turtle Dove and Eagle. Our earned Eagle feathers were originally presented by the members of this clan, as they were the only ones able to collect them. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Bird arbor is to the left of the Deer arbor.
a ni wo di Members of the Paint Clan were historically known as a prominent medicine people. Medicine is often 'painted' on a patient after harvesting, mixing and performing other aspects of the ceremony. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Paint arbor is to the left of the Bird arbor.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 5:41:57 GMT -6
That link took me to the main belief system page, try this one. www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNation/Culture/General/24411/Information.aspxMost Cherokee clan sites all have something similar. a ni gi lo hi The Long Hair Clan, whose subdivisions are Twister, Wind and Strangers, are known to be a very peaceful clan. In the times of the Peace Chief and War Chief government, the Peace Chief would come from this clan. Prisoners of war, orphans of other tribes, and others with no Cherokee tribe were often adopted into this clan, thus the name 'Strangers.' At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Long Hair arbor is on the East side, and also houses the Chiefs and other leaders of the ground.
a ni sa ho ni The Blue Clan's subdivisions are Panther, or Wildcat and Bear (which is considered the oldest clan). Historically, this clan produced many people who were able to make special medicines for the children. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Blue arbor is to the left of the Long Hair arbor.
a ni wa ya The Wolf has been known throughout time to be the largest clan. During the time of the Peace Chief and War Chief government setting, the War Chief would come from this clan. Wolves are known as protectors. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Wolf arbor is to the left of the Blue arbor.
a ni go te ge wi The Wild Potato Clan's subdivision is Blind Savannah . Historically, members of this clan were known to be 'keepers of the land,' and gatherers The wild potato was a main staple of the older Cherokee life back east (Tsa-la-gi U-we-ti). At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Wild Potato arbor is to the left of the Wolf arbor.
a ni a wi Members of the Deer Clan were historically known as fast runners and hunters. Even though they hunted game for subsistence, they respected and cared for the animals while they were living amongst them. They were also known as messengers on an earthly level, delivering messenges from village to village, or person to person. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Deer arbor is to the left of the Wild Potato arbor.
a ni tsi s qua Members of the Bird Clan were historically known as messengers. The belief that birds are messengers between earth and heaven, or the People and Creator, gave the members of this clan the responsibility of caring for the birds. The subdivisions are Raven, Turtle Dove and Eagle. Our earned Eagle feathers were originally presented by the members of this clan, as they were the only ones able to collect them. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Bird arbor is to the left of the Deer arbor.
a ni wo di Members of the Paint Clan were historically known as a prominent medicine people. Medicine is often 'painted' on a patient after harvesting, mixing and performing other aspects of the ceremony. At some Cherokee ceremonial grounds, the Paint arbor is to the left of the Bird arbor.
Yeah I saw that the link I put up went to the main board, not sure why because I read all about the clans and then posted the link. I guess I'll do what you did and copy what was on the link!! Thanks for pointing that out for me, I saw another link on something else that did the same thing!
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Post by awanita62 on Oct 13, 2014 7:24:38 GMT -6
I am of the anigotegewi To break down the word. Wild potato is gotegewi. The Ani means I am of or I belong to. Anigotegewi I am of the wild potato clan. or I belong to the Wild potato clan.
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Post by Tsesi on Oct 1, 2016 4:59:40 GMT -6
The clans still exist, and those who know their clan sometimes still gather accordingly in ceremony. However most Cherokee today do not know their clan. It is a sad way. Nor does the clan structure have anything to do with membership in the various bands. Modern Cherokee communities, due to colonial thought,are not structured around the clan system like they were once.
You wont find your clan information on the Dawes Rolls. If you find a ancestor and discern their clan information that doesn't mean you are still that clan. It all comes down to who married whose daughter as it is matrimonial. Children belong to their mothers clan.
If you were born into one of the seven Cherokee clans you were Cherokee.If your father was Creek but your mother was Cherokee you grew up identifying as a Cherokee. That's how it was... identity was defined culturally by the clan system. That's not how it is now with the Rolls ad blood quantums.
If you ave an ancestor on the rolls, that means you had an ancestor who was given a plot of land when they reached Oklahoma after removal. We are talking people who were on the land deed. Let's say their brother or sister lived with them ad you are a descendant of the sibling but not the deed holder. You wouldn't be on the rolls.
Truth is, this was done to get recognition, for survival upto and continuing through current times. These policies divide us, but we haven't a solution either.
The Clan system would leave many behind as well. Before contact if you married outside your tribe your kids still had a clan within their mothers, because you still married native. Now, we often marry into cultures that are two foreign for that to work. They aren't tribal-minded. Nor are they matrilineal. It really is a mess.
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